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Side A Tape Index of Interview with Rosella (Doherty) Lindsay April 19, 1992 000 Theresa Lindsay (interviewer) discusses the purpose of the project an oral history interview with a woman who has lived her life in the "West." Introduces narrator, Rosella (Doherty) Lindsay, born in Pendleton, Oregon, September 11, 1910. 011 Intro question asking her to tell about her life. 024 First generation Irish immigrant. Parents came from (Donegal) Ireland in 1880s. Mother came when 15 years old with aunt. Mother's great-aunt had earlier sailed around the Hom of South America and came to Oregon. She encouraged family members to come. Male cousin of great aunt went to the gold mines in Baker Oregon. 061 Father came to Boston (about the same time as mother) then to Pendleton, Oregon. Worked for Cunningham Sheep Company, as did other "greenhorns," and his wages were paid in sheep. Started band of sheep near Hermiston, Oregon. Comments on early Hermiston. Homesteaded at Alpine. Children went to one-room school. Later bought home in Pendleton and children went to St. Joseph's Academy (Roman Catholic). 094 Older brothers and sisters went to school at Alpine and then to high school at St. Joseph's Academy in Pendleton. (3 older brothers, 3 older sisters, break then 3 youngest, including Rosella#7) 108 Newly built home, called "The Grove," located just outside the city limits of Pendleton. Across river from state hospital. Gathering Place for Irish. Born there with the help of a midwife. Doctor on a "binge." 128 Seventh child of seventh child Father older than mother, accepted. 143 Food staples: potatoes, vegetables, ham, lamb, chicken--beef never butchered except in winter because no refrigeration. Had own garden or bought food in a store. 164 Father away at sheep camps, mother helping him part of the year. Mother cooked three meals a day for herders. Boys got wood, girls did dishes. Wood heat, warmed sheets at night with flat iron. Bedroom icy cold, lots of homemade quilts. Mother taught her to sew, made own clothes. 197 Childhood. Doesn't remember hardship. Academy three miles away. Older sisters went in horse and buggy. Later, older brother Bill drove her in automobile to academy. Rode bicycle and roller skates to school. 230 Home entertainment. Gathered around piano, sang, danced. 250 Remembers WWI Armistice because neighbor had a stroke. 259 Went to academy finished and then Oregon passed the Compulsory School Bill of 1922-later declared unconstitutional by U.S Supreme Court (Pierce vs. Society of Sisters). Mother pulled her and siblings out of school and sent them to Alpine (only nine students in high-school) Then went to live with sister Catherine who was a secretary for county agent in Heppner. Finished last two years of high-school in Heppner. 281 Occupations available to women: teaching, secretarial, nursing Brothers went to Columbia Prep School (today, University of Portland). 314 Went to normal school in Monmouth (today, Western Oregon State College) for two years plus two terms. Missed "blue skies." 328 First teaching job at Alpine; two rooms, one for elementary school and one for highschool. Taught seven grades with 25 students. Organized students for monthly program for farm bureau. People came from all over. "More work than teaching." Taught for four years. 356 Marriage to "local boy" in 1934. Little money during those times. Had car called a "whipit, because you had to whip it to go," but drove a horse and buggy because of fuel shortage. Wedding. Honeymoon in Yellowstone Park. First time out of Oregon. 383 Rented ground, set up housekeeping. Outhouse. No hot water. 400 Household duties. Husband (Alex) one of first in area to own tractor. 420 Birth of son (Lawrence), had to drive three hours in foot of snow to Pendleton (Feb. 1, 1937). Raising child. 443 What it was like growing up in the West. Father successful, respected family. Proud of living in Eastern Oregon. 460 Work on farm, vacation at Teale (sp?), (later Lehman) Hot Springs every year. Father owned land surrounding and ran sheep there, once had chance to buy hot springs. 474 Dances at home, brother Barney played fiddle. Irish would come. A lot of matchmaking went on and marriages came out of it. (Kenny's for example) Irish connections. 500 Religion; went to Catholic Church in Heppner, took about an hour to drive there. Priest would sometimes come out. Baptisms, marriages, funerals. 524 Didn't feel Eastern Oregon was "remote." Own horse, rode bareback. "I was a good rider, too." Races future husband and wins. 548 Housekeeping, scrubbed floor with broom, wasn't used to that, had grown up in comfortable home--"but I didn't mind it!" Bought first home after seven years of marriage. Inside bathrooms! Hard times, many farmers lost land to Federal Land Bank. Wheat farm, cattle. 571 Son went to school at academy in Pendleton, he stayed with grandmother in Pendleton. 587 "Took it (life) as natural. You didn't worry about the things they worry about now." 590 Pioneer times in Morrow County. Father one of early settlers. Visiting, German woman visiting her mother. More time to visit than they do now. Gatherings every Saturday night at different households. 610 Entertainment at gatherings, "Danced 'til Daylight." Didn't go as "dates," they went as families. Babies all on the bed. 627 Cold, built bonfire under radiator of car to thaw it out. 631 End of Side A Side B 000 While teaching school, one of first in area to get hair permed--sat under big machine which was a "horror'' to her, afraid she was going to get electrocuted ... "at the mercy of that machine.'' 025 Getting hair shampooed and set--big deal on Saturdays. You didn't by any means shampoo every day. Bathing on Saturday. Laundry--before washing-machines--helped mother on old wash board. "I was pretty good at taking the skin off my knuckles .... " 065 Kids' chores: pealing potatoes, dishes, sweeping. Account of mother making breakfast. 083 Herders eating with family, living with family or in bunkhouse. Remembers having to wait for first table to clear before she could eat. 094 Kids shared bedroom. Sleeping at the foot of the bed "wasn't so good when a big foot was sticking in our face." 108 Mother sewing at night, patching. 126 Sheep camp. Main food staples: oatmeal, coffee, rice, dried fruit. 133 Canning food a big job, whole family involved. 144 Boys did outside work, girls did dishes. "Boys had harder part,"--rnilked cows, fed hay, carried wood. 153 Other family members: Mary, Francis, Barney, Catherine, Bill, Johnny--mother got fever, sick for a while, went to Ireland. Came horne and had Rosella, Lawrence, Dorothy. Twenty years difference between Mary and Dorothy. 178 Father at one time had ten bands of sheep (about 1,000 in a band). 190 Brother Barney took over the sheep, Bill took over farming part after father suffered a stroke. 200 Son graduated from University of Portland, Oregon. He went to Georgetown University Law School in Washington, D. C. for a year. Flew back with husband and drove him back in new cheverolet. 215 Morning after return to Oregon, Alex (husband) dies of heart attack. Task of running ranch falls on son's shoulders. Never considered selling. Week after Alex dies, Larry (son) breaks leg (accident on horse). He "had to run the ranch from bed." She continued to keep the books for the ranch. Larry had to fulfill AFROTC requirement. He went to Texas and she "had to run it (ranch) by phone ... " Nephew, Jack Monagle moves in to help. Larry gets hardship discharge. (Bay of Pigs Incident, Larry on alert) 264 Larry gets married to Corrine Remily from Oregon City (had known her from U. of P.) 271 Cooking for harvest crew. Had girl (nieces or neighbors) to help. (Marilyn (Monagle) Barry, Betty Anderson, Annie (Lindsay) Perry, Karen French, Steagle girls) Lots of girls wanted jobs for "a little school money." After minimum wage law, the ranches quit hiring girls because they couldn't afford it. 296 Ofliving in the West, "You took things as they came and they didn't seem so bad." 302 What makes a western woman: Environment--harshest ingredient of western women. They accept that, they take it for granted, they are not as stressed. It's part of their life, "part of their fiber. 11 They didn't expect more than what was available to them. Family, relatives, community--strong support, ''but life was not that harsh to them." Doesn't remember the hardships at all, "You just accepted it. .. You washed the dishes, you swept the floor, when you were older you dated." People at the time dated differently- more in family gatherings. 335 Never wanted to live anywhere else. Some girls growing up wanted to go to big cities, but "usually they were disappointed." 341 Ku Klux Klan in Oregon and prejudice against Catholics. Had to pass two public schools on way to academy. Harassed by bullies who called them "catlikkers,'' responded by calling them "puplikkers" because they went to a public schooL "I was actually a little afraid." Had an older cousin by four-five years and she stuck close to her. But because they had to pass a second public school, they had to "go through the gauntlet" again. 365 Large number of German immigrants in Pendleton. More Germans than Irish in Catholic parish. During WWI, "They had a hard time because there was a lot of bitterness against the Germans. 11 She continued, "They had to fight like Catholics--like we did going to school." "They (townspeople) were hard against the families." 378 Witnessed KKK burning cross on hill above home. KKK started petition to close St. Anthony's hospital. "Mother met them (petitioners) at the door and sent them on their way pretty fast." Witnessed parade through Pendleton in white sheets. Knew who backed KKK and who didn't. Example of two mortuaries--one Klan backed, the other not. "We stuck by Folsom (sp?)." 400 German girl responding to the harassment, "I'm a German and I'm proud of being a German!" Felt sorry for them, didn't agree with the harassment. 408 Individualism, "That's what makes a western man or the western woman ... " The western man and woman "took life as it should be; they accepted it, enjoyed it." They were far less stressed than today. 418 Changes in the West, being assimilated with rest of nation. Still sees western characteristics: Individualism, "not afraid to meet everyday life." 433 Families stronger then, "That's probably what carried them through the turmoil and actually, happily ... People were happy then, more so than they are now." 439 Religion--Catholics and Protestants more religious then. 449 "When I look back on it (life in the West), ... see it, understand it, relate to it--People accepted it; they were happy. Now they accept things, I guess they have a lot more conveniences, but I can't say they have more time or that they're more happy.'' 458 End of Interview
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Title | Lindsay, Rosella Doherty Oral History Interview, 1992 |
Interviewer | Lindsay, Theresa M. |
Date | 1992-04-19 |
Description | 94 minute oral history with Rosella Boherty Lindsay, conducted for a Women in the West (HST 398) course at Washington State University. She discusses her Irish heritage and its influences on her life as a Catholic in Pendleton; she went to a private school until she attended a one room school. She became a teacher until she married and moved out to a ranch with her husband, becoming a housewife and mother. She discusses the hard life on the ranch of constant chores and work, but found it very rewarding. |
Subject | Farm life; Housewives |
Coverage | North and Central America--United States--Oregon--Umatilla County--Pendleton |
Type | Sound |
Genre | Interviews |
Publisher | Manuscripts, Archives, and Special Collections, Washington State University Libraries: https://libraries.wsu.edu/masc |
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Rights Notes | In copyright. Item is in copyright until 95 years after 2011 publication date. |
Identifier | ua220b08f58 |
Source | Is found in Archives 220, Women in the West Oral Histories https://libraries.wsu.edu/masc/finders/ua220.htm at Washington State University Libraries' Manuscripts, Archives, and Special Collections (MASC) https://libraries.wsu.edu/masc |
Holding Institution | Manuscripts, Archives, and Special Collections, Washington State University Libraries |
Contributors | Digitization and description funded through a National Endowment for the Humanities We the People grant for Washington Womens History to the Washington Womens History Consortium, a part of the Washington State Historical Society. |
Language | English |
Digitization | Original audio cassettes were converted to wav files using Audacity and a USBPre interface. Mp3 files were then created from the wav files for online access. Film clips were created as mpeg-4 files using Adobe Premiere Elements 9 to add selected images to the wav audio files, and then converted to flv files for online display. Print documents were scanned to 300dpi pdf format using a Xerox Workcentre 5030 copier/scanner. |
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Full Text | Side A Tape Index of Interview with Rosella (Doherty) Lindsay April 19, 1992 000 Theresa Lindsay (interviewer) discusses the purpose of the project an oral history interview with a woman who has lived her life in the "West." Introduces narrator, Rosella (Doherty) Lindsay, born in Pendleton, Oregon, September 11, 1910. 011 Intro question asking her to tell about her life. 024 First generation Irish immigrant. Parents came from (Donegal) Ireland in 1880s. Mother came when 15 years old with aunt. Mother's great-aunt had earlier sailed around the Hom of South America and came to Oregon. She encouraged family members to come. Male cousin of great aunt went to the gold mines in Baker Oregon. 061 Father came to Boston (about the same time as mother) then to Pendleton, Oregon. Worked for Cunningham Sheep Company, as did other "greenhorns," and his wages were paid in sheep. Started band of sheep near Hermiston, Oregon. Comments on early Hermiston. Homesteaded at Alpine. Children went to one-room school. Later bought home in Pendleton and children went to St. Joseph's Academy (Roman Catholic). 094 Older brothers and sisters went to school at Alpine and then to high school at St. Joseph's Academy in Pendleton. (3 older brothers, 3 older sisters, break then 3 youngest, including Rosella#7) 108 Newly built home, called "The Grove," located just outside the city limits of Pendleton. Across river from state hospital. Gathering Place for Irish. Born there with the help of a midwife. Doctor on a "binge." 128 Seventh child of seventh child Father older than mother, accepted. 143 Food staples: potatoes, vegetables, ham, lamb, chicken--beef never butchered except in winter because no refrigeration. Had own garden or bought food in a store. 164 Father away at sheep camps, mother helping him part of the year. Mother cooked three meals a day for herders. Boys got wood, girls did dishes. Wood heat, warmed sheets at night with flat iron. Bedroom icy cold, lots of homemade quilts. Mother taught her to sew, made own clothes. 197 Childhood. Doesn't remember hardship. Academy three miles away. Older sisters went in horse and buggy. Later, older brother Bill drove her in automobile to academy. Rode bicycle and roller skates to school. 230 Home entertainment. Gathered around piano, sang, danced. 250 Remembers WWI Armistice because neighbor had a stroke. 259 Went to academy finished and then Oregon passed the Compulsory School Bill of 1922-later declared unconstitutional by U.S Supreme Court (Pierce vs. Society of Sisters). Mother pulled her and siblings out of school and sent them to Alpine (only nine students in high-school) Then went to live with sister Catherine who was a secretary for county agent in Heppner. Finished last two years of high-school in Heppner. 281 Occupations available to women: teaching, secretarial, nursing Brothers went to Columbia Prep School (today, University of Portland). 314 Went to normal school in Monmouth (today, Western Oregon State College) for two years plus two terms. Missed "blue skies." 328 First teaching job at Alpine; two rooms, one for elementary school and one for highschool. Taught seven grades with 25 students. Organized students for monthly program for farm bureau. People came from all over. "More work than teaching." Taught for four years. 356 Marriage to "local boy" in 1934. Little money during those times. Had car called a "whipit, because you had to whip it to go," but drove a horse and buggy because of fuel shortage. Wedding. Honeymoon in Yellowstone Park. First time out of Oregon. 383 Rented ground, set up housekeeping. Outhouse. No hot water. 400 Household duties. Husband (Alex) one of first in area to own tractor. 420 Birth of son (Lawrence), had to drive three hours in foot of snow to Pendleton (Feb. 1, 1937). Raising child. 443 What it was like growing up in the West. Father successful, respected family. Proud of living in Eastern Oregon. 460 Work on farm, vacation at Teale (sp?), (later Lehman) Hot Springs every year. Father owned land surrounding and ran sheep there, once had chance to buy hot springs. 474 Dances at home, brother Barney played fiddle. Irish would come. A lot of matchmaking went on and marriages came out of it. (Kenny's for example) Irish connections. 500 Religion; went to Catholic Church in Heppner, took about an hour to drive there. Priest would sometimes come out. Baptisms, marriages, funerals. 524 Didn't feel Eastern Oregon was "remote." Own horse, rode bareback. "I was a good rider, too." Races future husband and wins. 548 Housekeeping, scrubbed floor with broom, wasn't used to that, had grown up in comfortable home--"but I didn't mind it!" Bought first home after seven years of marriage. Inside bathrooms! Hard times, many farmers lost land to Federal Land Bank. Wheat farm, cattle. 571 Son went to school at academy in Pendleton, he stayed with grandmother in Pendleton. 587 "Took it (life) as natural. You didn't worry about the things they worry about now." 590 Pioneer times in Morrow County. Father one of early settlers. Visiting, German woman visiting her mother. More time to visit than they do now. Gatherings every Saturday night at different households. 610 Entertainment at gatherings, "Danced 'til Daylight." Didn't go as "dates," they went as families. Babies all on the bed. 627 Cold, built bonfire under radiator of car to thaw it out. 631 End of Side A Side B 000 While teaching school, one of first in area to get hair permed--sat under big machine which was a "horror'' to her, afraid she was going to get electrocuted ... "at the mercy of that machine.'' 025 Getting hair shampooed and set--big deal on Saturdays. You didn't by any means shampoo every day. Bathing on Saturday. Laundry--before washing-machines--helped mother on old wash board. "I was pretty good at taking the skin off my knuckles .... " 065 Kids' chores: pealing potatoes, dishes, sweeping. Account of mother making breakfast. 083 Herders eating with family, living with family or in bunkhouse. Remembers having to wait for first table to clear before she could eat. 094 Kids shared bedroom. Sleeping at the foot of the bed "wasn't so good when a big foot was sticking in our face." 108 Mother sewing at night, patching. 126 Sheep camp. Main food staples: oatmeal, coffee, rice, dried fruit. 133 Canning food a big job, whole family involved. 144 Boys did outside work, girls did dishes. "Boys had harder part,"--rnilked cows, fed hay, carried wood. 153 Other family members: Mary, Francis, Barney, Catherine, Bill, Johnny--mother got fever, sick for a while, went to Ireland. Came horne and had Rosella, Lawrence, Dorothy. Twenty years difference between Mary and Dorothy. 178 Father at one time had ten bands of sheep (about 1,000 in a band). 190 Brother Barney took over the sheep, Bill took over farming part after father suffered a stroke. 200 Son graduated from University of Portland, Oregon. He went to Georgetown University Law School in Washington, D. C. for a year. Flew back with husband and drove him back in new cheverolet. 215 Morning after return to Oregon, Alex (husband) dies of heart attack. Task of running ranch falls on son's shoulders. Never considered selling. Week after Alex dies, Larry (son) breaks leg (accident on horse). He "had to run the ranch from bed." She continued to keep the books for the ranch. Larry had to fulfill AFROTC requirement. He went to Texas and she "had to run it (ranch) by phone ... " Nephew, Jack Monagle moves in to help. Larry gets hardship discharge. (Bay of Pigs Incident, Larry on alert) 264 Larry gets married to Corrine Remily from Oregon City (had known her from U. of P.) 271 Cooking for harvest crew. Had girl (nieces or neighbors) to help. (Marilyn (Monagle) Barry, Betty Anderson, Annie (Lindsay) Perry, Karen French, Steagle girls) Lots of girls wanted jobs for "a little school money." After minimum wage law, the ranches quit hiring girls because they couldn't afford it. 296 Ofliving in the West, "You took things as they came and they didn't seem so bad." 302 What makes a western woman: Environment--harshest ingredient of western women. They accept that, they take it for granted, they are not as stressed. It's part of their life, "part of their fiber. 11 They didn't expect more than what was available to them. Family, relatives, community--strong support, ''but life was not that harsh to them." Doesn't remember the hardships at all, "You just accepted it. .. You washed the dishes, you swept the floor, when you were older you dated." People at the time dated differently- more in family gatherings. 335 Never wanted to live anywhere else. Some girls growing up wanted to go to big cities, but "usually they were disappointed." 341 Ku Klux Klan in Oregon and prejudice against Catholics. Had to pass two public schools on way to academy. Harassed by bullies who called them "catlikkers,'' responded by calling them "puplikkers" because they went to a public schooL "I was actually a little afraid." Had an older cousin by four-five years and she stuck close to her. But because they had to pass a second public school, they had to "go through the gauntlet" again. 365 Large number of German immigrants in Pendleton. More Germans than Irish in Catholic parish. During WWI, "They had a hard time because there was a lot of bitterness against the Germans. 11 She continued, "They had to fight like Catholics--like we did going to school." "They (townspeople) were hard against the families." 378 Witnessed KKK burning cross on hill above home. KKK started petition to close St. Anthony's hospital. "Mother met them (petitioners) at the door and sent them on their way pretty fast." Witnessed parade through Pendleton in white sheets. Knew who backed KKK and who didn't. Example of two mortuaries--one Klan backed, the other not. "We stuck by Folsom (sp?)." 400 German girl responding to the harassment, "I'm a German and I'm proud of being a German!" Felt sorry for them, didn't agree with the harassment. 408 Individualism, "That's what makes a western man or the western woman ... " The western man and woman "took life as it should be; they accepted it, enjoyed it." They were far less stressed than today. 418 Changes in the West, being assimilated with rest of nation. Still sees western characteristics: Individualism, "not afraid to meet everyday life." 433 Families stronger then, "That's probably what carried them through the turmoil and actually, happily ... People were happy then, more so than they are now." 439 Religion--Catholics and Protestants more religious then. 449 "When I look back on it (life in the West), ... see it, understand it, relate to it--People accepted it; they were happy. Now they accept things, I guess they have a lot more conveniences, but I can't say they have more time or that they're more happy.'' 458 End of Interview |
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