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Interview with Joyce Wilson Age 65 Approximate time: 40 min 00:00 About the famlly: 4 kids in the family; Joyce Wanda, Duane and Dale. Bom and raised in Oklahoma on a farm. Dad was a shareholder, which meant he worked for other people. The kids also worked on the farm, the worked together as a family. Whatever money they made went directly to their parents, they didn't see the money in the form of money but in the form of clothing and food. 00:02 Typical day: Wanda and her would finish breakfast for the family while her parents would be milking the cows. Mter breakfast they would get ready for school. School would get out in July or August and start back up in Septemeber. About a month after school started they would close down for another month so children could help their parents on the farm. My grandma would pick cotton. She said they had a lot of fun in the fields and feeding the chickens. Once they got home from school they would make dinner and then go outside and play for the rest of the evening. 00:04 Family Life: As a family they would play a game called Annie Annie Over. To play: People would be on opposite sides of the house and they would throw a ball back and forth. Once somebody caught the ball they would run to the opposite side and try and tag somebody. Her siblings and her really didn't fight much because there was just to much to keep them busy. On Sundays they would have big family dinners, and after dinner everybody, parents and all, would go outside choose up sides and play baseball together. Usually the gatherings were held at their house. ( I was amazed to leam that my Great Grandmother, Ouida Mutschler would actually play baseball as well as wrestling with her brothers and her husband! I didn't know she had it in her!) She wrestled with her children too! And grandma said she wooped them all! 00:07 The move: They moved to the west in 194 7. The trip took 7 days. They made the move in a 1929 model A. They left Oklahoma with $99. dollars. They had canned chicken so they would be able to cook during the trip. Her sister and one of her brothers both passed out from the height in Denver and the exhaust from the model A. All of the kids slept in the car and her parents slept outside on the trailer. They stopped in Warm Springs and spent some time with her uncle and then stopped in Beasie Comers (White Samon). Dad went to work for Stevenson Lumber company and then they moved in 1950 to Winston Oregon where he found a different job. At this point she was 15. 00:09 Grandma then went to work for the Bennetta theater. She worked their in the evenings, and picked beans during the summer time. She was able to keep this money for herself. She then met my grandpa, Curtis Marshall. She was 16. They got married in 1952 when the were both 17 years old. They remained in Winston, in a 20 foot trailer close to her parents. They then moved to the Green district, between Roseburg and Winston right after Steve was bom, into a two room house with an outhouse. Grandpa was working at a the lumber mill, grandma was not working. She was raising Steve. Typical day was getting up and getting grandpa off to work, cleaning house, taking care of Steve and then having dinner ready when grandpa got home. 00:11 They then moved to California when Steve was 9 months old in the Valeo. Lived there for 3 months. Moved there for work, Grandpa had an uncle down there who owned a construction company. They moved back though, when Steve was a little over a year old because grandma wanted to be back with the family. Grandpa then went to work for the drycleaners. Grandma was 20 when Brenda was born, my mother, Cheryl was born in 57 when grandma was 22 and Debbie was born in 1959. She had a total of 4 children by the age of 24. By this point Grandpa was working for Roseburg lumber. They then started moving around because Grandpa kept getting better jobs. She lists the places they moved too: Albany, Milwaukee, Dayton, Mckminnville, Stevenson, and then Washougal. 1969 was the move to Washougal. In 1971 they moved into the house she still lives in. 00:15 Thoughts on the Women's Movement She wasn't really for it because she wasn't a women's libber. "Women wanted equal rights, they wanted equal pay, which is fine if they do their job, but most of them in the lumber companies that fought for equal rights and equal pay and when there was a real heavy job to do, they would call on a man to do it, to help them because it was to heavy. Well that's not fair. A woman wants equal rights in the phone company but they will not let a woman go under a house to install lines, a man has to do it, well now that's not fair." Some things she does think should be fair, but if a woman can't do the same job she shouldn't get equal pay. 00:16 After she ended up in Washougal She went to work at the Stevenson Co-Ply for 6 weeks. They wouldn't accept her as a shareholder becase they weren't hiring any more women. She tumed them into equal rights and although they did not hire her again, they never tumed down another woman. Then she went to work for Pendelton Woolen mill and worked there for 28 years. 00:17 She didn't feel she ever experienced other discrimination. Grandma went to work in 1969 at Pendelton Woolen mill in the weave room but then left for Stevenson Co Ply. When she got rejected she retumed to Pendelton and then went back to the woolen mill in 1972. She worked in the blanket department the rest of the years she was employed there. 00:18 My grandpa and her got divorced in 1981. They separated off and on but he moved out in 1978. The kids were older when the divorce happened. Two of the children were married, Debbie was still in the house. She said it was ve:ry hard. Her pay was very low, so it was tough to keep the house. Grandpa moved to Olympia. She remarried Dick (she really didn't want to acknowledge the fact that she had remarried, he was not a nice guy) in 1986. She admidts she was lonely, and he wanted to move in but she wanted to get married first if he was going to move in. So they did. Apparently all he wanted was for somebody to take care of him. She said he never helped with anything. Not even financially. He never did buy his own grocerices. Dick's son was also living there as well as my Grandma's sister Wanda. If it wasn't for Wanda's financial support, they probably wouldn't have made it She said he moved out because she was just to "Damned lndpendent!" 00:23 She married Chuck in 1994 and they have been happily married ever since. She met him at the mill, he was a supervisor. Her supervisor wasn't happy about it, because she thought that Chuck kept her from working. Grandma didn't think so, because Chuck knew she worked on incentives and she had to put out a certain amount of blankets in order to make any money. Her salary: $3.00 base pay and about 1-5 cents per blanket, but she ended up with about $8 per hour because they put out so many blankets, about 1200 per day. She wasn't making as much as the other girls when she left, because minimum wage is so much higher now. 00:26 Other thoughts: They moved to the west so her daddy could find work because he wasn't making any money on the farm, Also, her mother's family lived out there. Her family wrote and said there was plenty of work in the west, so they decided to move. Great grandma never worked outside of the home. She worked on the farm with the family. She would get up at 4 am and work along side her father, or she would stay in and make breakfast while they were out doing the chores. She was in a family of 16 so she would cook for them as as well as cooking for the crews on the farm. One Sunday she cooked 13 chickens and then did the clean up after the meal. My grandma said that when she was little there was no television, so they would make up their own games. They would make playing cards out of ceral boxes and pay a "go fish" sort of game. 00:29 Historical moment she remembers: She remembers the day the war ended in 1944. They were all outside when the planes flew over. Great grandma was hanging clothes on the line and saw the planes go over. She said "Oh my God" and went to the ground. The planes startled her. 00:30 Grandma had clothes made out of flower sacks. One time they got real material and were able to make dresses for Easter. The dresses were yellow with big red flowers, their pantys matched As soon as they got home they took them off, they couldn't wear them to play in.. They had school clothes and play clothes. The dress was worn on Mondays. The newer flower sacks were what there school clothes were made from, the older ones were play clothes. They took baths in a galvanized wash tub. She stopped going to school when she was 16. Her brothers both finished high school. Wanda went back and got her GED Wanda had 6 months of school left when she was pregnant with Stan. She was 16 and married. They wouldn't let her finish school because she was pregnant even though she was married. She would still be a bad influence on the other girls. They made her leave school in January 00:34 About childbirth: Your husband could sit in the waiting room with you but could not go in the delivery room because it was unsanitary she thinks, but she never really knew. With a regular childbirth a woman stayed in the hospital for 5 days, for a C section it was 2 weeks. She got Ether when she was in labor and expressed how much she liked it! She said it felt wonderful and helped the pain. They didn't get epiderals. They didn't have breathing exercises. The husband could be in the room up until the point the baby came out. Then they could be there when you woke back up. They were there to hold the women's hands and rub her back. When she had Debbie she was in a Seventh Day Adventists church and they wouldn't allow her to put Debbie under the sheets with her. She had to be on top of the blankets. She thought this was strange. She wasn't very fond of this place because they also wouldn't let her have pepper on her food, because they told her it was bad for her. 00:38 It only cost about $200.00 to have a baby. C sections were about $600.00, But she doesn't remember if they had insurance to cover it or not. She said that no matter how much it hurt to have a baby, when you get to hold it, you forget all about the pain. She said, "childbirth is one of the most beautiful experiences in the world as far as I am concemed."
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Title | Wilson, Joyce Oral History Interview, 2001 |
Interviewer | Moller, Erin |
Date | 2001-05-07 |
Description | 36 minute oral history with Joyce Wilson, conducted for a Women in the West (HIST 398 course at Washington State University). She talks about her early childhood on the farm in Oklahoma. She describes her family's move to Winston, Oregon and settling into a new area. She married young, raised four children, and moved a lot because of her husband's hope for a better job. They settled in Washougal, Washington and were she eventually divorced. She worked at a wool mill to support herself. She remarried twice more, and stayed with her third husband. |
Subject | Rural women; Housewives; Economic & social conditions; Divorced women |
Coverage | North and Central America--United States--Oregon--Douglas County--Winston; North and Central America--United States--Washington (State)--Clark County--Washougal |
Type | Sound |
Genre | Interviews |
Publisher | Manuscripts, Archives, and Special Collections, Washington State University Libraries: https://libraries.wsu.edu/masc |
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Rights Notes | In copyright. Item is in copyright until 95 years after 2011 publication date. |
Identifier | ua262b05f48 |
Source | Is found in Archives 262, Women in the West Oral Histories https://libraries.wsu.edu/masc/finders/ua262.htm at Washington State University Libraries' Manuscripts, Archives, and Special Collections (MASC) https://libraries.wsu.edu/masc |
Holding Institution | Manuscripts, Archives, and Special Collections, Washington State University Libraries |
Contributors | Digitization and description funded through a National Endowment for the Humanities We the People grant for Washington Womens History to the Washington Womens History Consortium, a part of the Washington State Historical Society. |
Language | English |
Digitization | Original audio cassettes were converted to wav files using Audacity and a USBPre interface. Mp3 files were then created from the wav files for online access. Film clips were created as mpeg-4 files using Adobe Premiere Elements 9 to add selected images to the wav audio files. Print documents were scanned to pdf format using a Xerox Workcentre 5030 copier/scanner. |
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Full Text | Interview with Joyce Wilson Age 65 Approximate time: 40 min 00:00 About the famlly: 4 kids in the family; Joyce Wanda, Duane and Dale. Bom and raised in Oklahoma on a farm. Dad was a shareholder, which meant he worked for other people. The kids also worked on the farm, the worked together as a family. Whatever money they made went directly to their parents, they didn't see the money in the form of money but in the form of clothing and food. 00:02 Typical day: Wanda and her would finish breakfast for the family while her parents would be milking the cows. Mter breakfast they would get ready for school. School would get out in July or August and start back up in Septemeber. About a month after school started they would close down for another month so children could help their parents on the farm. My grandma would pick cotton. She said they had a lot of fun in the fields and feeding the chickens. Once they got home from school they would make dinner and then go outside and play for the rest of the evening. 00:04 Family Life: As a family they would play a game called Annie Annie Over. To play: People would be on opposite sides of the house and they would throw a ball back and forth. Once somebody caught the ball they would run to the opposite side and try and tag somebody. Her siblings and her really didn't fight much because there was just to much to keep them busy. On Sundays they would have big family dinners, and after dinner everybody, parents and all, would go outside choose up sides and play baseball together. Usually the gatherings were held at their house. ( I was amazed to leam that my Great Grandmother, Ouida Mutschler would actually play baseball as well as wrestling with her brothers and her husband! I didn't know she had it in her!) She wrestled with her children too! And grandma said she wooped them all! 00:07 The move: They moved to the west in 194 7. The trip took 7 days. They made the move in a 1929 model A. They left Oklahoma with $99. dollars. They had canned chicken so they would be able to cook during the trip. Her sister and one of her brothers both passed out from the height in Denver and the exhaust from the model A. All of the kids slept in the car and her parents slept outside on the trailer. They stopped in Warm Springs and spent some time with her uncle and then stopped in Beasie Comers (White Samon). Dad went to work for Stevenson Lumber company and then they moved in 1950 to Winston Oregon where he found a different job. At this point she was 15. 00:09 Grandma then went to work for the Bennetta theater. She worked their in the evenings, and picked beans during the summer time. She was able to keep this money for herself. She then met my grandpa, Curtis Marshall. She was 16. They got married in 1952 when the were both 17 years old. They remained in Winston, in a 20 foot trailer close to her parents. They then moved to the Green district, between Roseburg and Winston right after Steve was bom, into a two room house with an outhouse. Grandpa was working at a the lumber mill, grandma was not working. She was raising Steve. Typical day was getting up and getting grandpa off to work, cleaning house, taking care of Steve and then having dinner ready when grandpa got home. 00:11 They then moved to California when Steve was 9 months old in the Valeo. Lived there for 3 months. Moved there for work, Grandpa had an uncle down there who owned a construction company. They moved back though, when Steve was a little over a year old because grandma wanted to be back with the family. Grandpa then went to work for the drycleaners. Grandma was 20 when Brenda was born, my mother, Cheryl was born in 57 when grandma was 22 and Debbie was born in 1959. She had a total of 4 children by the age of 24. By this point Grandpa was working for Roseburg lumber. They then started moving around because Grandpa kept getting better jobs. She lists the places they moved too: Albany, Milwaukee, Dayton, Mckminnville, Stevenson, and then Washougal. 1969 was the move to Washougal. In 1971 they moved into the house she still lives in. 00:15 Thoughts on the Women's Movement She wasn't really for it because she wasn't a women's libber. "Women wanted equal rights, they wanted equal pay, which is fine if they do their job, but most of them in the lumber companies that fought for equal rights and equal pay and when there was a real heavy job to do, they would call on a man to do it, to help them because it was to heavy. Well that's not fair. A woman wants equal rights in the phone company but they will not let a woman go under a house to install lines, a man has to do it, well now that's not fair." Some things she does think should be fair, but if a woman can't do the same job she shouldn't get equal pay. 00:16 After she ended up in Washougal She went to work at the Stevenson Co-Ply for 6 weeks. They wouldn't accept her as a shareholder becase they weren't hiring any more women. She tumed them into equal rights and although they did not hire her again, they never tumed down another woman. Then she went to work for Pendelton Woolen mill and worked there for 28 years. 00:17 She didn't feel she ever experienced other discrimination. Grandma went to work in 1969 at Pendelton Woolen mill in the weave room but then left for Stevenson Co Ply. When she got rejected she retumed to Pendelton and then went back to the woolen mill in 1972. She worked in the blanket department the rest of the years she was employed there. 00:18 My grandpa and her got divorced in 1981. They separated off and on but he moved out in 1978. The kids were older when the divorce happened. Two of the children were married, Debbie was still in the house. She said it was ve:ry hard. Her pay was very low, so it was tough to keep the house. Grandpa moved to Olympia. She remarried Dick (she really didn't want to acknowledge the fact that she had remarried, he was not a nice guy) in 1986. She admidts she was lonely, and he wanted to move in but she wanted to get married first if he was going to move in. So they did. Apparently all he wanted was for somebody to take care of him. She said he never helped with anything. Not even financially. He never did buy his own grocerices. Dick's son was also living there as well as my Grandma's sister Wanda. If it wasn't for Wanda's financial support, they probably wouldn't have made it She said he moved out because she was just to "Damned lndpendent!" 00:23 She married Chuck in 1994 and they have been happily married ever since. She met him at the mill, he was a supervisor. Her supervisor wasn't happy about it, because she thought that Chuck kept her from working. Grandma didn't think so, because Chuck knew she worked on incentives and she had to put out a certain amount of blankets in order to make any money. Her salary: $3.00 base pay and about 1-5 cents per blanket, but she ended up with about $8 per hour because they put out so many blankets, about 1200 per day. She wasn't making as much as the other girls when she left, because minimum wage is so much higher now. 00:26 Other thoughts: They moved to the west so her daddy could find work because he wasn't making any money on the farm, Also, her mother's family lived out there. Her family wrote and said there was plenty of work in the west, so they decided to move. Great grandma never worked outside of the home. She worked on the farm with the family. She would get up at 4 am and work along side her father, or she would stay in and make breakfast while they were out doing the chores. She was in a family of 16 so she would cook for them as as well as cooking for the crews on the farm. One Sunday she cooked 13 chickens and then did the clean up after the meal. My grandma said that when she was little there was no television, so they would make up their own games. They would make playing cards out of ceral boxes and pay a "go fish" sort of game. 00:29 Historical moment she remembers: She remembers the day the war ended in 1944. They were all outside when the planes flew over. Great grandma was hanging clothes on the line and saw the planes go over. She said "Oh my God" and went to the ground. The planes startled her. 00:30 Grandma had clothes made out of flower sacks. One time they got real material and were able to make dresses for Easter. The dresses were yellow with big red flowers, their pantys matched As soon as they got home they took them off, they couldn't wear them to play in.. They had school clothes and play clothes. The dress was worn on Mondays. The newer flower sacks were what there school clothes were made from, the older ones were play clothes. They took baths in a galvanized wash tub. She stopped going to school when she was 16. Her brothers both finished high school. Wanda went back and got her GED Wanda had 6 months of school left when she was pregnant with Stan. She was 16 and married. They wouldn't let her finish school because she was pregnant even though she was married. She would still be a bad influence on the other girls. They made her leave school in January 00:34 About childbirth: Your husband could sit in the waiting room with you but could not go in the delivery room because it was unsanitary she thinks, but she never really knew. With a regular childbirth a woman stayed in the hospital for 5 days, for a C section it was 2 weeks. She got Ether when she was in labor and expressed how much she liked it! She said it felt wonderful and helped the pain. They didn't get epiderals. They didn't have breathing exercises. The husband could be in the room up until the point the baby came out. Then they could be there when you woke back up. They were there to hold the women's hands and rub her back. When she had Debbie she was in a Seventh Day Adventists church and they wouldn't allow her to put Debbie under the sheets with her. She had to be on top of the blankets. She thought this was strange. She wasn't very fond of this place because they also wouldn't let her have pepper on her food, because they told her it was bad for her. 00:38 It only cost about $200.00 to have a baby. C sections were about $600.00, But she doesn't remember if they had insurance to cover it or not. She said that no matter how much it hurt to have a baby, when you get to hold it, you forget all about the pain. She said, "childbirth is one of the most beautiful experiences in the world as far as I am concemed." |
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